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Griobhtha Unregistered Posted: Nov. 16 2006,15:48 MP3/Tag Studio is the best MP3 tag editor there is, bar none.  But MP3 has not, will not, become the end-all in user music files.  MP4/M4a, AAC, OGG, FLAC, as well as others have become stable library formats for users (including WAV now that hard drive sizes have increased substantially).  And transcoding files from one compressed format to another makes no sense (except for portable playing); and, having seperate tag editors makes no sense either. I would like to see MP3/Tag Editor expanded into these other formats as well.  It's thoroughness and standards based features are sorely needed for other formats. Does MP3/Tag Studio have a future, or will development be stopped at MP3? Back to top

Magnus Brading Almighty Author Group: Super Administrators Posts: 2751 Joined: Aug. 2002 Posted: Nov. 16 2006,16:14 I'm glad you like Mp3/Tag Studio. Other formats might be supported, but I'd first like to see some of them become at least nearly as big as Mp3 before putting the big effort into supporting them. I hope this makes sense. -------------- Software author and website owner Back to top

fdemmer Unregistered Posted: Nov. 21 2006,19:16 m4a would be nice indeed. i guess that mpeg4 container is next to guaranteed to become very widely used. Back to top

lonelon2000 Board Fan Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: Feb. 2004 Posted: Dec. 18 2006,01:46       Yes, this is a great idea, particularly with the popularity of FLAC and APE, both on USENET and BitTorrent sites: ---(edited) From the alt.binaries.sounds.whitburn FAQ v0.7 (11.16.2006) FLAC and APE are both open-source formats that theoretically contain a perfect copy of the original WAV file but take up around 40% less space, since the "air" in the file -- that is to say, wasted space -- has been removed, but none of the original sound quality has been compromised. Each FLAC file and APE file also contains a "fingerprint" which can be used to check that the file isn't corrupted, a feature not available in WAVs. FLAC and APE files can also contain ID3 tags, which are generally not implemented in WAVs. In a perfect world, assuming infinite storage capacity and lightning-fast interconnect rates, WAVs would be preferred. But because of the realities and limitations of transfer speeds and storage, FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec files) and APE are preferred. You can get more info on FLAC here: http://flac.sourceforge.net/ And information on APE can be found here: http://www.monkeysaudio.com/comparison.html Back to top

Magnus Brading Almighty Author Group: Super Administrators Posts: 2751 Joined: Aug. 2002 Posted: Dec. 18 2006,09:47 If they contain ID3 tags, as the text above says, Mp3/Tag Studio can already process them, so no problem in that case. -------------- Software author and website owner Back to top

MusicTrax Board Fan Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: July 2006 Posted: Mar. 04 2007,03:02 Quote (Magnus Brading @ Dec. 18 2006,09:47) If they contain ID3 tags, as the text above says, Mp3/Tag Studio can already process them, so no problem in that case. That is not true. When MP3/Tag Studio tries to open FLAC files that have legitimate tags in them, it reports "File Contains No Tag." (I suggest you check this out yourself before advising your users your program can do something like this.) The lack of FLAC support is a major reason why I use MP3/Tag Studio so infrequently these days. Back to top

Magnus Brading Almighty Author Group: Super Administrators Posts: 2751 Joined: Aug. 2002 Posted: Mar. 05 2007,22:32 Please send me a sample file with such a tag, and I will check out what the problem is. A standard ID3 tag should show up, in any file format. -------------- Software author and website owner Back to top

MusicTrax Board Fan Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: July 2006 Posted: Mar. 06 2007,18:50 Quote (Magnus Brading @ Mar. 05 2007,22:32) Please send me a sample file with such a tag, and I will check out what the problem is. A standard ID3 tag should show up, in any file format. I think the problem is that ID3 tags are not standard with FLAC or APE. Only Ogg Vorbis-format tags are compatible. Again, I suggest that you look at Tag & Rename 3.3 and see if you can duplicate this feature. Tag & Rename also supports tags for WAV files, something very few other files can do. I would prefer using MP3/Tag Studio, but it's of zero use to me with FLAC or APE files. Back to top

Magnus Brading Almighty Author Group: Super Administrators Posts: 2751 Joined: Aug. 2002 Posted: Mar. 10 2007,14:05 Ok, so they don't use standard ID3 tags then, which is exactly what I said, so please don't accuse me of false advertising. These other tag formats might be supported in the future, but not at the moment. Thanks for the information and your suggestions. -------------- Software author and website owner Back to top

Guest Unregistered Posted: Dec. 18 2008,20:19 I am a #### fan of using your powerful software.  I'm a programmer too and I admire your abilities. As of recently, I have joined the crowds and gotten an iPhone.  Apple devices make strong visual use of the tags in both mp3s and mp4 files. I was hoping that I could use mp3-4TagStudio as I have with 10s of thousands of mp3s.  It didn't seem to want to set the properties on mp4s and provide killer renaming capabilities. My argument for making the effort to generalize your code to also handle mp4 files is that these small devices, from Apple in particular, are getting *very* popular and that may push the mp4 into mainstream. Selfishly, it would be really nice for me to have and I'd promise to tell all of my geek friends to buy your product. -Mike Back to top

Guest Unregistered Posted: Dec. 18 2008,20:21 I swear that I wrote h u g e fan - not anything else ... Back to top

MusicTrax Board Fan Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: July 2006 Posted: Jan. 08 2009,10:46 I'm a big fan of the program as well. It's sad to me that Magnus doesn't grasp the importance of supporting lossless formats. Here in America, we refer to this as the "not invented here" syndrome, where companies can't see the need to build something they've never done before. In my opinion, this is very shortsighted thinking. I believe the standards for Ogg tagging are contained in documents here: http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/ Given that there's about two dozen shareware and freeware programs out there that can handle ID3 and Ogg tags, one would think that adding this feature to MP3/Tag Studio wouldn't be rocket science. Edited by MusicTrax on Jan. 08 2009,10:47 Back to top

Magnus Brading Almighty Author Group: Super Administrators Posts: 2751 Joined: Aug. 2002 Posted: Jan. 09 2009,22:53 Contrary to your theories about rocket science and where things have been invented, it's rather all a matter of implementation time, and what the majority of people use. Good guesses though... -------------- Software author and website owner Back to top

Raven Board Newbie Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: April 2009 Posted: April 22 2009,10:05 Quote (MusicTrax @ Jan. 08 2009,10:46) I'm a big fan of the program as well. It's sad to me that Magnus doesn't grasp the importance of supporting lossless formats. Here in America, we refer to this as the "not invented here" syndrome, where companies can't see the need to build something they've never done before. In my opinion, this is very shortsighted thinking. I believe the standards for Ogg tagging are contained in documents here: http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/ Given that there's about two dozen shareware and freeware programs out there that can handle ID3 and Ogg tags, one would think that adding this feature to MP3/Tag Studio wouldn't be rocket science. MP3 tag studio is the greatest program I ever saw, there just is no equal. Be glad someone like magnus did the trouble of creating such a program. I'm a programmer myself, I know what I'm talking about, and I'm sure magnus put lots and lots of free time in developing a brilliant piece of software which he basically gives away for free. Speaking of short-sightedness: The tone of your post AND the others from you on this forum is evidence for YOUR short-sightedness as it comes to programming and developing software. Besides, the majority of music-files (I dare to say over 95%) is still in the MP3-format. Personally I don't even like to have anything else. What's the point of supporting the other few percents that most probably won't even grow in popularity due to filesize, handling, compatibility and due to the simple fact that MP3 is more then enough for the vast majority of people quality-wise. If it isn't rocket science, why don't you write it yourself? Perhaps magnus will give you access to the part of the sourcecode that handles file-access? Go right ahead, be my guest.... Then, if you're done bitching: Magnus will make his program compatible with other tag/filetypes when he feels like it and has time for it outside his reallife, not because some punk like you is demanding it. Keep up the good work Magnus, don't let yourself be distracted by people like this. Edited by Raven on April 22 2009,11:05 Back to top

Magnus Brading Almighty Author Group: Super Administrators Posts: 2751 Joined: Aug. 2002 Posted: May 03 2009,17:54 Thanks Raven. -------------- Software author and website owner Back to top

lovelove Board Fan Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: May 2010 Posted: May 08 2010,20:18 completely agreed with Raven. Having said that, the two most popular additions would probably be (1) mpeg4(aac) tags because "Designed to be the successor of the MP3 format, AAC generally achieves better sound quality than MP3 at similar bit rates" (from wikipedia, and tested myself) and (2) ape tags, because they are so versatile, as their reach is ever expanding and already can be - and are - used for the following file formats : * .ape (Monkey's audio, lossless) * .mpc (MusePack, lossy) * .wv  (WavePack, lossless) * .mp3 * .ofr (Optimfrog, lossless) * .ofs (Optimfrog, lossy) * .ofc (Optimfrog, lossy) and surely a couple of others, and more in the future ... Edited by lovelove on May 08 2010,20:20 Back to top

peterlonz Board Newbie Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: July 2010 Posted: July 20 2010,03:46 Hi guys I'm new here but dare to say: Magnus has achieved a great goal & created SW that is known to almost everyone for its outstanding capabilities. I support those who ask for an extension of the formats that TagStudio can handle & I am surprised that FLAC is not already managed. I thought these suggestions were courteously presented & deserved a better response, instead I note rudeness & defensive responses, The impression I gained anyway. Surely we can all agree: 1)  Other formats would be a marvelous program extension & would benefit both the significant sector of the population working with lossless formats & those wishing to use improved MP3 compressed formats. 2)  We all know that good, reliable, & capable SW, is difficult to develope & right now just keeping SW fully compatible with all OS's is itself no small task. 3)  In any forum it's natural that people will make suggestions based on their needs & will support their views. 4)  It's probably natural that a SW developer, particularly one who has offered his product free, should feel a bit negative about the work involved in attempts to extend the SW capabilities. It would appear like a never ending & mostly thankless task. 5)  From a commercial standpoint product developers need to keep a mindset that all feedback is good. Even a few minor complaints can easily indicate design shortcomings which often go completely unnoticed in initial testing. It's the same with improvement requests, if you want to stay ahead you have to listen to your market & try to respond. From what I read here Magnus is probably not looking at these things from a commercial standpoint; perhaps he should, but also, perhaps his limited resources will not allow this. How many people contributing $5 each would it take to allow Magnus to meet some of the requests above. Two thousand contributors might make the difference. I'd be willing, would you? Peter O Back to top

lovelove Board Fan Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: May 2010 Posted: July 15 2011,16:15 all in all a very good posting, peterlonz, this is what this thread needed Back to top

nikkil Board Buff Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: Mar. 2012 Posted: Jan. 20 2013,15:47 Quote become the end-all in user music files.  MP4/M4a, AAC, OGG, I think mp3 is still widely being used today. Is mp4 for audio and video? I'm lost, sorry. Back to top

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