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terryt
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Posted: Oct. 12 2005,15:26

Hi,

I'm rather new to ripping and encoding mp3s and recently purchased Mp3/Tag Studio to help me with renaming files (it's a great program which I'm slowly learning how to use).  I have run into a problem which I hope this forum can assist.  (I had a look around this forum back to August 2003 but didn't see any similar post).

I have a Rio Carbon mp3 player which comes with software Rio Music Manager (RMM) to help manage music tracks on my hard drive and the player.  Sometimes when I transfer a batch of mp3s from my hard drive to the player a lot of the tracks don't transfer successfully and RMM says:"Failed to transfer. <name of track>. Out of present range. (0.800200A)."

When I looked at the Properties of a sample batch of mp3s I saw that the problem mp3s were tagged "ID3v2.3 & ID3v1.0" while the mp3s that transferred ok were tagged "ID3v2.3 & ID3v1.1".  I don't know if that was simply a co-incidence or if IT IS the problem as I don't really understand ID tags and how it all works together.

My question: Can I use Mp3/Tag Studio to change the tags from "ID3v2.3 & ID3v1.0"  to  "ID3v2.3 & ID3v1.1" so I can see if that makes a difference?

If Mp3/Tag Studio can do that, would someone please explain what I have to do (in simple language please so I can understand).  If Mp3/Tag Studio cannot make the changes, does anyone know of a program that does?

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Regards,

Terry

Edited by terryt on Oct. 12 2005,15:31
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Posted: Oct. 12 2005,16:22

First of all, I think the connection with the ID3v1 version numbers only seems like a coincidence, but I guess you can never know for sure with third-party software like that.

And yes, you can easily perform this conversion with Mp3/Tag Studio, as follows:

1.
Go into the main settings from the file menu.

2.
Check the option "ID3v1.1 mode" in the "Tagging core" section of these settings, and then press the OK button.

3.
Go to the "Direct tag manipulation" tool, and select the "Sync v1/v2 tags" preset.

4.
Process any files you like with this tool now (as usual by pressing the Execute-button while standing in the desired working directory), and theses files will have their tags converted to ID3v2.3 & ID3v1.1.


Easy as that. :)

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Posted: Nov. 03 2005,03:04

Hi Magnus,

My apologies for the belated reply (I have been away from things 'Computers and Mp3s' for a while) and thank you for your suggestion.  I tried it but couldn't get it to work so either it's because it won't work with my ID tags or else I did something wrong.

I have another mp3 renaming program I use (Tag Clinic) and had also written to its author, Keve Zoller.  He replied:

 "It sounds like the tag reader in your Rio Carbon requires that a number be present in every ID3v1 track field, even if  it's a zero.  Not good design, in my opinion, because many less-than-robust tag readers will pick up a zero in a track field and run with it, display it or use it in some way, as if it  wasn't meaningless.

 "Tag Clinic is hard-coded for placing space characters in zero-track fields in ID3v1 tags, with no option to do otherwise.  However, it would be a simple option to add.  If you could verify for me that the presence or absence of a track number in your ID3v1 tags makes the difference between your MP3 player liking or disliking them, I'll put it on my "to-do" list to add an option to fill empty ID3v1 track fields with either spaces or zeros." END

I checked and every 'problem' mp3 had an ID tag with a negative track number of "-1".  When I changed their track numbers to a positive number (e.g. "1", "2"...) I could successfully transfer those tracks from my hard drive to my Rio player.  

Steve Zoller has just upgraded his program to fix this problem and he advised :

 "The option is on the "Tag Options" page of [the program's] Preferences Option under "ID3v1 Default Tag."  Choices are "ID3v1.0" or "ID3v1.1".  You will want "ID3v1.1," which it should be set to by default when you install.  This setting will place zeros in the Track field of ID3v1 tags when there is no track number present.

 "Note that the option is only applied when a tag is created or updated.  To change any existing ID3v1 tags you may have that currently have spaces instead of zeros in track fields, you could temporarily add some bogus track number to each one that has no track number at present, say the number '88.'  Then turn right around and delete all of them.  This would cause all of these tags to get updated and
automatically convert the track number fields to the "zero track" format in the process - which hopefully will make your Rio Carbon happy."  END

I have taken the liberty of copying Mr Zoller's replies just in case you would care to similarily upgrade your program for the benefit of any Rio Carbon users.  I would appreciate your comments.

Regards, Terry

Edited by terryt on Nov. 03 2005,03:44
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